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Poster: snow_and_rain Date: Jul 17, 2012 12:13pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Furthur's Beacon Run vs the Dead's MSG Run

To even make such a comparison -- and especially to do so in such exhaustive detail -- shows me that you fundamentally do not understand what the Grateful Dead was all about. There is simply nothing to compare with the electricity and anticipation that one felt knowing that you were about to see Jerry Garcia play with the Grateful Dead. And I say that as someone who didn't see the GD until 1990, when, admittedly, the flashes of transcendent, intergalactic brilliance were sometimes few and far between. Substitute someone else for Garcia and this is what you get -- a thoroughly-researched, statistically-significant "proof" that Furthur is somehow comparable with the GD. If that were really the case, would we need to go through such an exercise? Wouldn't it be self-evident?

Furthur might be a good time for some, but make no mistake, the Grateful Dead died with Garcia.

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Poster: Mandojammer Date: Jul 17, 2012 12:29pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Furthur's Beacon Run vs the Dead's MSG Run

I get what you are saying, and I agree with about 75% of it. I think it's obvious that the current manifestations are not and never will be the Dead, so it's beyond me why folks get their pants all lathered up and foaming at the mouth that DSO or Furthur aren't the Dead.

I will disagree with you on your comment that:

"There is simply nothing to compare with the electricity and anticipation that one felt knowing that you were about to see Jerry Garcia play with the Grateful Dead."

Different strokes for different folks, but I distinctly remember the same electricity and anticipation when Bill Monroe and the Bluegrass Boys were introduced at the Grand Ole Opry in December of 1983 while then, young Mrs. Mando-to-be and yours truly sat second row 20 feet away. Very few people can say they saw the seminal figure in the creation of a genre of music. Bluegrass fans who saw Bill Monroe and Lester and Earl or even Doc Watson can number themselves among the lucky, relative few. Any new bluegrass fan today will never have that chance. The elctricity was identical.

I also recall similar feelings this past May at the Virginia Arts Festival watching the curtain go up and sitting stunned for the next hour and a half watching Itzhak Perlman weave magic from his violin. Mozart, Shostakovich and Mendelssohn may be dead, but Perlman brought them back to life for a brief moment.

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Jul 17, 2012 5:18pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Furthur's Beacon Run vs the Dead's MSG Run

" I think it's obvious that the current manifestations are not and never will be the Dead, so it's beyond me why folks get their pants all lathered up and foaming at the mouth that DSO or Furthur aren't the Dead."

I completely agree 100%. What's wrong with having a good time listening to great songs? Nothing for me ever comes close to the real deal. I wish it would. I've seen a lot of the prominent live bands and a lot of them are very good and very talented, a lot of times more so than GD form a technical point of view, but none not one did anything for me even close to that magnitude. I wish. As for post Jerry bands I saw " the Dead" and I thought it sucked and did not have a good time, I saw the Comes A Time show at the Greek and it was absolutely wonderful in fact better than the last two Dead shows I saw in 92, I saw DSO at the GAMH ( with our buddy High Flow ) and up here a couple of years ago and even though the vocals sucked I had a killer time both times. Even though the whole imitation thing is really cheesy to me I can think of a lot worse ways to spend an evening. That said what does bug me about DSO is I think their heads are so damn big they actually think they are a legitimate band or the GD. Freakin $35 a ticket AND the nerve to sell merchandise? REALLY? Oh well to each their own but taping these shows and especially buying them is just beyond my comprehension. But I had a great time and I'd definitely go again.

Last - As everyone especially my buddy BD knows I put Wilco at the top of live bands playing now both in craftsmanship ( especially ) and musically. As for being transported some of the most intense playing I've experienced since the real deal were two Kimock shows I saw up here. Definitely some woah WTF just happend moments

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Jul 17, 2012 7:14pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Furthur's Beacon Run vs the Dead's MSG Run

" I think it's obvious that the current manifestations are not and never will be the Dead, so it's beyond me why folks get their pants all lathered up and foaming at the mouth that DSO or Furthur aren't the Dead."

"I completely agree 100%. What's wrong with having a good time listening to great songs? "

This. Thank you.
Will this wrangling never end? ... we know they aren't the Grateful Dead, we know we can't bring Jerry back, but why does it have to somehow be wrong to still want to listen to the music, to still hear what Bob and Phil are up to?

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Poster: snow_and_rain Date: Jul 17, 2012 1:29pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Furthur's Beacon Run vs the Dead's MSG Run

You make a fair point: the greats are the greats. Jerry's not the only one but I put him in a pretty rarefied group of truly innovative artists.

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